and the taliban said these guys already said they're leaving, why would we talk? i think they are already paying attention to the pakistanis. karzai's government is totally alien to their national interests, they are more likely wanting to see a pasthun-dominated government there. so there is really little reason to see we'll get much out of the negotiations. secretary clinton is brilliant as a diplomat, she is trying to pull together what she has got. but the fact of the matter is, we're coming out. the taliban knows it. so does the karzai government, why would this not be a bad situation? >> so looking at history, sir, is the u.s. the soviet union? >> well, no, not at all. we're actually in there, and i think in a legitimate way. with a punitive expedition to try to respond to the attack, which was launched and coordinated from afghanistan. and, so i think the intervention was legitimate. it was flawed execution, starting with the bush team. president obama surged more forces in there, did some good on the ground. but it didn't produce an afghan government that